I don’t know why people say bad is better than Jay…
In my opinion Jay is more consistent, and a better all around artist than Nas. Most people argue that Nas is better lyrically than Jay but that isn’t true. Just because Nas uses bigger words than Jay doesn’t mean he is more lyrical it just means…
Jay Z is overrated. Has only 3 good albums he saturates the industry with his music and brand but has a braggadocious rap style that is annoying now he has nothing left to rap about. Nas is a concious rap artists which doesn’t appeal to the likes of the radio. Nas doesn’t just use bigger words(extensive vocab is proper terminology) He paints pictures and he raps from multiple perspective which is what J. Cole learned where as Jay Z and Drake rap from a first person perspective its all about them or how something effects them not necessarily others. And Nas comes harder than Jay. I like Jay but I don’t kiss his ass.
Nas is for people who have a brain & who pay attention to lyrics. I agree with the above comment. He paints pictures with words, Jay Z just be talking about all the shit he has. Fuck that, I don’t want to listen to that. Tell me a story with your lyrics. Paint me a picture with words. I want something I can relate too, not something to turn up too. That’s all he makes, turn up music. The Blue Print is probably the only album that has something I can relate too. But Nas, I feel what he says, his lyrics hit you & make you think, make you think that there’s more to one side of a story. Not everything is as nice as it seems.
I have to disagree with both of you guys. Jay Z does the same thing Nas is a great artist but From the Reasonable Doubt to The Black Album, To American Gangster, To All the Blueprints, to Watch the Throne to Magna Carta Jay Z does it time and time again!
Magna Carta was shit. Born Sinner was a way better album than that. And if Jay Z so great, why didn’t Joey Bada$$ sign with him, when Jay Z offered him a deal? And like the above comment said, Jay Z is more mainstream & his music is played more on the radio, his music is more appealing to the “general” public, who are easily swayed & moved by things they hear & see on the TV. Nas’s lyrics are more explicit & force you to think about situations you’ve never had yourself thinking about. Nas isn’t for the common everyday “general” public listener of hip hop. Cause those listeners only listen to the radio. Same goes for Kendrick, why do you think it took so long for DJ’s to put songs from Section 80 & Good K.i.i.i.D Mad City? His lyrics were too explicit & they couldn’t be aired because of what he was saying in those songs.
I agree to you about the mainstream thing my dude. But trust me Jay isn’t a horrible artist he can’t be if the longevity is there. Joey actually didn’t sign to him because he wanted to create his own empire and that’s his exact words. Did you listen to 1999? He admires Jay and Jay is his favorite got damn artist besides PAC and Big when Jay Z offered him he only said no because he didn’t have a RADIO single and couldn’t go through the same shit J Cole went through. If you listen to every track on Magna Carta and actually know what Jay is talking about you wouldn’t say that trash shit. J Cole had a cool album but you can’t play every song through and vibe to it. J Cole has no classic album unlike Jay Z, Nas, Drake, or even Kendrick. His albums have a great few songs but you can’t play it straight through and not skip a song.
I’m not expert but here’s my 0.005 cent…
Jay Z’s could probably make that socially conscious, emotional, intelligent rap like Nas (tbh I’ve only heard a few of his songs but that is is the vibe i get), J Cole (I have Born Sinner and I love it), Kendrick Lamar (I’ve only heard his features but from everything I’ve heard he’s on the same wavelengths with the former) but at the end of the day it seems like album sales and filling the coffers are more important to Jay Z and that "braggadocious rap style" is the one that sells. Superficial consumers (**cough** wiggers and kids bop graduates) of rap/hip-hop (the ones who just eat that shit up that Iggy and Macklemore put out) than those who genuinely want to hear a story and want to have that emotional connection to the music. It almost feels like there is only two paths you make music and stay true to your art and accept the limited air play and stay kind of indie or you give the masses what they want to hear, tales of bitches and hoes, crystal and white louis boat shoes.
They both have some great work and some not so great work. But the thing is, a not so great Jay Z song just makes me think, “Eh..,” while there are nas songs that make me think, “damn this is like the worst music ever made.” Do yourself a favor and never listen to a Nas song called “Big Girl.”
They are both great Artist but Jay dominates over Nas because of his consistency and longevity. He has been running since 1996 and that’s a fact!
All I know is 10 years ago my father asked me to burn him some CD’s of good Jay songs and I ended up filling 5 discs. He has a weight of good material. I dont think either of them or better or worse. Jay is just a more successful commercial artist and Nas is more for social thinkers. People who think Nas is better purely because of that are just snobs. People who go into Nas being “real hip-hop” are dorks who hopped on the backpacker boom of 2000 and dont realize that hip-hop started as party music. Club bangers hold just as much merit deep lyrical songs in this genre.
Exactly man I agree with you
If you dont think Reasonable Doubt is one of the greatest albums ever written than you shouldnt be involved in this debate. lyrically, jay has it. metaphors relating to life. its all personal but its all about lifestyle in the same things, theyre just two different artists with two different ways of creating music which is what hip hop is
Exactly Jay is has it lyrically his bars are deeper and much more non concrete than Nas’s. Jay has no on the surface bars.
Jay-z trash point blank. You stupid niggas realize Nas came out since 94 and Jay-z in 96 get ya facts right. Illmatic is just. Sample on how jay-z is ass
Name another album better than Illmatic that Nas made? He will never make something close to it again.
Look im never the one to comment on any post or anything & like I dont even feel worthy of stepping into this debate & all but im soo sorry, Nas is DEFINITELY way better than Jay Z & let me just make things clear that just because nas seems to have a “better vocabulary” than jay & “uses bigger words” as you say, it doesnt make him better like its not just it Like are you kidding me ? you can say that you like jay z & all & you think hes it but not that hes greater than nas cause hes not ESPECIALLY not lyrically alright like have you heard I gave you power ? HE COMPARED HIMSELF TO A GUN. A GUN. Like just the way he makes his music like he puts extra time into it you HAVE to put extra time into it to use literary devices like that & im not saying that jay doesnt either its just w. Nas, the messages he puts out in his music is deep & too thought out & not to mention for those who think that hip hop is just to make people dance & stuff, its more than that its knowledge its to get you up to date which of why its called ” hip - hop ” like krs one says, hip means to know its a form of intelligence to be hip is to be update and relevant, hop is a form of movement you cant just observe a hop you have to hop up and do it hip hop is more than music hip is the knowledge hop is the movement hip hop is intelligent movement or relevant movement, like yeah I get that its your opinion and all & im defintly not one to judge but research your stuff before you talk about it, or atleast listen more to the music & take note to its meaning. Nas is not garbage & jay isnt either, we all have our opinions but nas is a lyrical genius hands down 🙇 & I REALLY dont think jays better than him or even better than J cole for that matter because he says real stuff that should be said, same as kendrick like its the words man, its the words. & there is a looooot more things that could be said but I think I said enough already but hey, thats just my opinion, agree or disagree we all think differently.
I actually think you might be on to something. But listen too me I don’t think people know what lyrical is. Lyrical is expressing deep personal emotion or observations. Y’all basically telling me that Nas and J Cole more lyrical than Jay. I don’t think most people understand what he really says to even know listen to $100 Bill Jay Zs track for the Great Gatsby movie or listen to his my rack called Primetime on the Watch the Throne album and while your listening pull up the lyrics on rap genius. And do it for your fav J Cole record or Nas record. I bet Jay have more deeper bars that you wouldn’t even have thought of. By deep I mean shit that you couldn’t think of without someone actually explaining too you. Nas and J Cole talk about struggle and real life issues more than Jay that’s why people say they are more lyrical but that statement isn’t true. Cole and Nas are lyrical but their rhymes are more concrete than Jays and that’s a valid point because everyone knows exactly what they are talking about whether its about women poverty money or etc. Look up any Jay song on rap genius and just observe each lyric and you’ll be amazed and I promise you that.
I mean ok. I never said j coles more lyrical than jay z I said he mentions a lot of real stuff that should be said, nas on the other hand, I mean yeah im basically telling you hes better than jay z. Just because people dont understand what he really says most of the time & choose to ignore whats written, doesnt mean his lyricism isnt there it just proves on how deep his stuff really is like his lyrics are so deep that you got to analyze what hes really stating and try and figure out its meaning and stuff its flipping poetry. & just how your telling me to listen to jay z songs & all why dont you take the time to check out nas ? What goes around, hope , your da man, rewind, undying love like all his songs is on another level dude. Jays bars are not as deep as nas there just not. & talking about struggle ? Jay z talks about struggle to & to be honest I dont listen to jay z like that & you probably dont listen to nas like that which is obviously why you just dont get it and talking struggles is a whole different story they all got that even pac & if you think jays better than him then I simply cant debate with someone that naive. But I mean you Obviously know jay more than I do so I guess I will check him out more but same goes for nas cause his stuffs poetic not much I can say for most of jays music or atleast what Ive heard so far but idkk man it is what I think, just know I come in peace ✌️😐
Lol I know you come on peace and I really listen to both of them a lot so I understand where you come from. Let’s just end this at You like Nas and I just like Jay.
Thats your song ? Like you made it like thats you ? lol it sounds so legit I like it especially your lyrics & what you talked about like thats what I look into the most in music if the beats good & the lyrics have meaning I looooove it. But yeah lol sorry for getting on your whole debate it just kinda bothered me I just had to say something it was like saying biggies lyrics having more meaning than pacs I mean I loooooove biggie but pacs just way too poetic & thats just how I saw it